Stop banning Lorem Ipsum: a rebuttal

Stop banning Lorem Ipsum: a rebuttal

User experience specialist Robert Hoekman Jr argues that Latin placeholder text aka Lorem Ipsum is a tool that still has value to the design process. It's up to you to know when and why to use it

John McGarvey feels strongly about copy. As a web copywriter, if it were up to him, we'd all stop using Lorem Ipsum as placeholder text during the design process. Period. And in such a role, it's hard to blame him; placeholder text can, I'm sure, be quite an interference on the path to great content. In McGarvey's op-ed, he rightly pointed out, among other things, that nonsense copy can make for shaky sign-offs on the part of clients, who can't possibly strut down a road of design excellence until the content is mixed with water to become concrete.

But is he right that Lorem Ipsum has no value to the design process? In a word, no. And in light of the flood of comments McGarvey's post received, I felt a rebuttal was in order.

That's not quite what they said

First, it's important to dissect the for-or-against statements web design experts have made on the subject so that we can safely move on to discussing Lorem Ipsum's usefulness.

Oliver Lindberg pointed out in his comment on McGarvey's article that 37signals, the company behind the wildly popular project management tool Basecamp, denounces the use of Lorem Ipsum. But members of 37signals have also said they start all their designs with sketches. Interface sketches almost invariably show areas of text in the form of wavy, hand-drawn lines. The difference between Lorem Ipsum and wavy, hand-drawn lines, rest assured, is semantic. Their intent is the same. The only difference is the quality of the artifacts in which they are used.

What 37signals actually said was to use real copy when you build interfaces. And yes, of course, a functioning page should display real copy. But not even 37signals thinks this rule applies to sketches and low-res wireframes.

Even the likes of web standards leader Jeffrey Zeldman has come out against Lorem Ipsum. Zeldman's quote (cited in Luke W's post about Lorem Ipsum), however, was not an outright dismissal of it, but rather a guideline that we must know our content by the time we get to the final stages of a design.

In site design, it's the end that matters, not the journey.

Designing for ideas

A website is more than the sum of its content. Design is not about copy or images or video alone: it's about purpose, scope, task flow, understanding, and much more. And in the early stages of a project, design artifacts are focused on generating and narrowing down ideas, not precise details. Not yet knowing which exact words to use in a line of instructive text in a wireframe, for example, doesn't negate what a wireframe can and should communicate otherwise.

Very often, in other words, the intent of a design is to illustrate a concept. An idea. It's meant to offer a direction and facilitate discussion. It's part of the thinking process. It's not the answer, but an exploration of the question.

Designing for standardisation

Designs are also often meant to serve as templates for pages — to describe typical cases. Yes, final designs should have real copy (whenever possible anyway), but is this true for deliverables used to define a model for a design? Hardly. The only way this would be possible is to design a final comp for each and every page. Imagine the nightmare this would be for, say, a news site.

Designing for the unknown

Quite a lot of sites and apps these days allow for, and indeed encourage, user-generated content. Except for character-count limitations and the like, we can't do much as designers to control that copy. What we can do is design for flexibility.

Consider how the website you're looking at right now might have been designed without filler text. On any site with a commenting system, it's vital to communicate the treatment for copy even when the copy itself can't be known. Headings, fonts, layout, block quotes, leading and kerning, author citations, bylines, avatars — the designer must account for all of these things despite that the content that will eventually be posted is up to the site's readers.

Banning the wrong things

It's not Lorem Ipsum we should ban, it's absolutes.

Lorem Ipsum is a tool, and like every tool, it's up to the craftsman to know when and why to use it. There are quite a few reasons to use Lorem Ipsum, it's just that timing and intent matter to each one, so it's important to wrap some constraints around it. Use it to communicate concepts. Use it as a placeholder for user-generated copy. Use it early in the process, not late. Know the real copy by the time you launch, and design for it along the way.

Perhaps most importantly, maintain a healthy scepticism for web designers who shout rooftop demands without presenting the other side of the debate.

8 comments

Comment: 1

I'm sorry but as a designer Lipsum text is vital. When I construct designs I often do not have any content as clients don't tend to send it until they have seen a design they like. Therefore it makes perfect sense to me to fill the page with some text.

Yes it can lead to to poor design as you could be fooled into designing content sections to just suit the length of the Lipsum included, rather than making it flexible for any amount of text/content but I still think it serves a purpose in web design and I for one will continue to use it.

Comment: 2

I really cant understand why this has been a discussion previously and now. In my eyes is something very minor and doesn't need to be discussed. A design should be put together knowing content type and content amount.

At the end of the day the content is always changed by the client and the design should be flexible enough to handle whatever content is inserted.

Comment: 3

I completely agree with you Robert. I also agree (to a point) with both MikeyO89 and glenwheeler. This tendency for "experts" to speak in absolutes about web design and web development, especially in cases like to use or not use lorem ipsum, is ridiculous in my opinion. It is, as glenwheeler points out, a discussion that just doesn't need to be had. What value does it offer to web development firms and freelancers out there? In my opinion: none.

Show me the research. Show me the metrics that says I'll get, sell, and keep more clients if I do or do not use Lorem Ipsum text in the wireframe / design phase. I'm willing to bet, it doesn't exist...and any information that DOES exists, I'd lay money on it being completely anecdotal and 100% determined by the client-base of said "expert" that offered it.

The truth is, every web design / web development firm has a set (or should) of standard business practices that is tailored to their target markets and demographics. Those practices have likely been tailored over time to meet certain needs or bypass certain roadblocks to increase sales and revenues. As such, it is only a logical extension that what works well for one company and their respective client base may not work (or work as well) for another. There are local, regional, and even national considerations that determine what approaches work best for what clients. As you rightly point out, what really matters is the ends. The experience for the target audience of the product. Does it achieve the goals stated at the outset of the project? Is the client happy with their product? Would they use you again? Those are the things that matter.

Sometimes, you only have an idea of the type of content that will be presented, as the company may still be finalizing their approach. It is our job as professional designers and developers to work WITH these companies, to guide their approach to meet their stated goals. This may require using Lorem Ipsum text to generate random length strings of characters to show how minimal or maximum content will appear. Lorem Ipsum is also useful for generating character-count strings for sizing summaries to work within certain designs (such as those that require heavy advertising models).

Sometimes, you have a client that has all their content together, and they want to see a design utilizing their own content. If you have it to use, great. By all means, use it. That doesn't, however, mean that the live copy on the production site will be the same as what was used in the design. The web is a dynamic medium, after all, and that copy IS going to change. Does it truly add ANY value in the design phase when compared to using Lorem Ipsum? -- IMO, only if it makes the difference between the client signing design approval so construction and implementation of the production site can begin.

So, to close the /rant -- I would offer that this back and forth over Lorem Ipsum is nothing more than background noise that most, if not all, designers and developers could do without. The endgame is the same for all involved. To make money and provide clients with good customer service and good results. Everything else is subjective.

Comment: 4

I really do not understand why this is even a debate. Lorum Ipsum has a place. It's place is to help show clients how things will look on their site before it goes live. In most cases it is necessary as a client may not have even generated content for a particular area yet.

The idea that we should dump it is simply the elitist mindset of designers/developers that think that all clients 'should know the intention of X page, they should be able to read my mind and have a designers mindset'.
This is simply not the case! To think otherwise is simply dumb.

Comment: 5

I think that if real content is available then this is always better than using dummy text. However I think it's undeniable that Lorum Ipsum is an incredibly useful tool for designers. If nothing else it helps speed up the design process allowing you to experiment with text (placement etc) instantly. It can also help focus a client attention on the actual design of a site rather than them focusing on how it reads. Lorum Ipsum has been around for a long time now and has proved its worth. Although I completely agree that content is a vital part of any web project for efficiently creating designs Lorum Ipsum is still an important tool.

Comment: 6

The faux Latin is a carry over from the days when typographers roamed the earth, and despite it's Latinesque appearance was called "Greeked Type". It was used both as a placeholder and to show the general layout and configuration of typography for a given layout.

This has been a crucial tool to pass on to other suers of a given template or page layout as a visual guideline. Newspapers still use $0.00 placeholders in sale ads for the same reason: shows where the copy goes and how it's supposed to look.

A total non-issue.

Comment: 7

Agree with Mikey.

I'm not going to produce content for a client. I don't have the time and I am not that great of a writer. I'm not going to offer a service in which I won't provide great results. I am also not going to provide fake content that will be deleted later, also a waste of time.

Lorem ipsum is fast, efficient, and can be used to show content in a particular space. It imitates real-world content almost seamlessly.

I laugh that 'designers' are taking the time to make real content. While I'm making sure my code is solid across platforms/browsers, you are still on stage one making fake content. Good luck with that. I get off at 7. See you in the morning (you'll still be here).

Comment: 8

GREAT POINT webtraction!

I totally agree. Why are we arguing over this stupid issue that is really not even an issue. Shouldn't we be discussing new technologies, PHP vs. Ruby on Rails, or how to get the most out of HTML5 instead of wasting bandwidth and *gasp* pages in .NET Magazine. Just think of the actual relevant articles that can be included on this site or in the magazine, instead of this stupid topic?
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